NEET Meeting Workgroup # 3 – Aug. 1, 2008
Flip chart notes

Chris Calwell
•	Embed CO2 costs that run about $20/ton in Northwest Resource Planning ( and consider increasing that by an additional one cent per pound)
•	Embed a $20 /ton on the sale on inefficient products
•	Find a way to reduce plug loads
•	Get codes & standards in utility portfolios
•	Shift incentives beyond Energy Star (focus on the top 10 products)
•	Integrate dollar incentives  and disincentives with standards enforcement) 
		
Fred Gordon
•	Bring resource acquisition together on a regional level (some may need to cede some authority)
•	Work together to create some demonstration projects that go beyond the 1-3 year accountability range.  May need to consider looking for things in the 10-20 y ear range.  Might think about starting with those areas offer those most prospects, like buildings before homes
•	Work on all fuels w/ equal autonomy
•	Electronics- do research together w/ California to find right niche

Tom Eckman
•	Figure out how to get dollar signals correct & find greater amounts of money
•	Need more money to negotiate single deals
•	Need to Increase R&D and take major risks (heat pump water heaters)

Dave Hewitt
•	Need to take a more long-term and comprehensive perspective
•	Roll up to state advanced code
•	Use state-of the shelf 		
•	Existing buildings – make a comprehensive investment
•	DOT -- Design operation tenancy
•	Need for feedback loops to those responsible – individuals versus utilities
•	Bring cities into loop (they are more aggressive right now)
•	Take off the cost effectiveness handcuffs (under invested in energy efficiency over the years)
•	Can’t expect California to be the leader (only state with R&D funding – everyone’s fighting for $10M in funding – what the NW could do if it put $5M on the table)

Skip Schick
•	Mobilize business and industry to drive business practice change
•	High performance new building construction (take risk collectively to advance)
•	Optimize commercial building operating performance
•	Partner with university to train next generation
		
Jane Peters
•	Find a way to address tenant-owner issues
•	Find fuel blind options
•	Increase program funding cycles- takes a long time to get  something in place (programs don’t usually market after first year or so because the become over subscribed)
•	People will come to a program to save energy.  Need to develop a different tracking system that focuses on gross savings versus procedures
•	Train out-of-work building industry people
•	Continue technology development

Phil Welker 
•	Go deeper into markets & relationships
•	Energy management & behavior- engage in behavior side of market
•	Find better ways to leverage experience. How can we engage the market?
•	Develop long-term relationships in the market (develop networks with grocery stores, governments, etc.)
•	Look at program approach – develop a long-term deal making strategy-long-term engagement strategy 

BIG THEMES
Comprehensiveness
Short-tem vs. long-term thinking
Energy not a one-off deal (multiple things people do every day)
Re-train how people think about energy
Get better at analysis (none of us are all of what we need to do) 
Find out how to work together and step up our game
More into engagement frame
Need a long-term relationship perspective
Go big or go home (avoid fighting over small parts of small budgets)
Utilities need to clean up inefficiencies with their own resources (offers a lot of resource)

John Savage – major things he heard in the discussion
Need for more money
Need comprehensive, long-term planning
Fuel blind
Loosen up on cost-effectiveness tests
Invest in more risky program that pay off in the long term
Greater funding for R&D
Building operations
Get smarter in how we target markets

Stan Price – additions
Need the human resources to make this work
Funding cycles

Many used the term “we” – Who is the “we”
Energy industry
Industrial customers
Consumers
Businesses
Trade allies
Government (state, local, city, federal)
Manufacturers of equipment (they need the R&D money to bring products to market

We need to get the energy industry knowledge in the hands of others

Leadership group that currently exists in the Northwest – utility industry, Council, BPA, commissions

Green building movement is moving quickly – need to leverage that momentum with EE

EE community – need big bold moves, need to drive transactions

Question about $5 million in funding for education – who would it go to.  To an existing regional entity or a decision making body that could set up rules to distribute

Need to highlight Plus Energy buildings (like in Germany)

What DOESN’T work – individual “passing the hat” mentality

Need to pool resources and allocate strategically (for things like R&D and regional investments)

Pamela Lesh – Need to decide what we think savings are worth then develop rules and then let anyone go do it
Too focused on hyper accountability and benchmarking
Front load R&D

Need to build on competitive nature of people and business
Need a place to coordinate and think strategically (who is that?)
Cities begging for energy efficiencies (example:  street lighting)